
We're just a small group right now, so our meeting locations can move around at this point. For the most part we try to meet the third Thursday of each month in the New Westminster Public library when they can fit us in (but are usually somewhere in the east Burnaby or New Westminster area).
| When: | Feb 16, 2012 — 7:00 - 8:45 PM |
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| Where: | Auditorium (in basement) New Westminster Public Libarary 716 6th Avenue New Westminster Contact info@animatography.photoclans.net with any questions. |
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This meeting sees the return to our usual format after our selection meeting last month. This meeting's chair is: Joe This month's challenge statement is: Shadows Our techie tip/discussion topic: TBA - but we might take a quick peek at what's new for ProShow 5. |

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This was not one of our usual meetings. We did a review of shows to be presented at the Pacific Digital Photo Club in February. We saw some old favorites, in some cases, updated shows that had been improved after feedback at previous meetings. We look forward to presenting our shows to PDPC.
Minutes by Shona
Eight attended our final meeting of the year, all bringing snacks for the Christmas social part of the meeting.
Derek opened the meeting with a show on Vandusen Christmas light photos taken by him and his son, Daniel. Set to Christmas music, it was a great opener and, never to disappoint, included more "how did you do that" techniques.
Shona'scompletely CGI Christmas story featuring expressive Gingerbreads and cellphone addicted Santa's helpers decorating a tree was also in the spirit, as was Helmi's fast-moving ladder setting up the Christmas lights. That looked like a workout. What we'll do for art.
Jonathan's work in progress of swans in Lost Lagoon contained beautiful images and Jonathan's signature animations well-matched to the images.
Christmas to many means family, and Jim and Helmi both demonstrated how to concentrate shoebox photographs into entertaining and touching shows for families - Jim with his 3 years' of his two grandsons' lives together, and Helmi's tribute to her brother's 60th birthday, which had fun and creative ideas for getting away from the same old chronological presentation.
Joe, who wasn't able to make the meeting, submitted a re-work of an earlier show, combining close-up images of crystal with some voice and sound effects, and a fun ending. Jim also reworked his "Anatomy Lesson" show to add fun animation to the skeleton images.
Jonathan's second show featured beautiful big-horn sheep through Jasper, and included some animations.
Everyone brought plenty of food, and with great coffee from Derek, we had beginning, middle and end opportunities to sample the goodies, socialize and share ideas.
Minutes by Shona
With eight members attending and 3 visitors we had a good-sized group to view and evaluate our shows.
The monthly theme was “sound effects” and many members were up for the challenge. Theme shows screened were:
Non-challenge, work in progress and second shows were:
There was specific technical discussion this evening, but discussion and useful comments through the evening included tips on:
Most of this meeting's shows screened were in response to the summer challenge: "Create a visual poem".
We saw interesting contributions:
The challenge showed that it can be difficult to find imagery to go with the "textual imagery" of a poem and the timing involved to emotionally link the audience's eye on the images to the ear's hearing of the poem. In some ways a harder task than "just" finding music for a show.
I found it personally interesting that 3 of the 4 entries featured verse written by the show artists ... hmmm, maybe we should be a slideshow and poetry group!
So far, no one has tackled the idea of a written poem as opposed to a spoken one, but we still have a few more members to hear from.
We also saw a couple of non-challenge shows:
For our technical discussion, since people had questions about doing narratives, we looked at PSG's concept of "slide sounds" and discussed how you would use them to attach narratives and foley (sound effects) to a show.
Shona has volunteered to create a little "adding sounds" article that we will distribute on our website for members and guests. A reminder that anyone can contribute source material for our "library" ... in the form of "how to" articles, videos, or whatever way you want to share your knowledge with the rest of the world.
Our meeting chair was Shona
The discussion topic was "slide consistency" - — should you mix "straight" and "over the top manipulated" images in the same show?
The general consensus seemed to the inconclusive "it depends"! But most agreed that wildly differing styles in the same show would usually weaken it. Best to think carefully about the message of the show and go with styles that best emphasize that message. Imagery that is in radical contrast to the majority images could be used for highlights or to draw attention to certain details.
This month's challenge was "Anything goes" and we saw everything from a show with no photos (pure abstracts made in PhotoShop), to travelogues and cloudscapes.
Six members took up the “Springtime” theme challenge and, although blossoms prevailed, every show was unique, from Jonathan’s constantly moving style and transition show, to Derek’s time-lapse to Shona’s “painterly” images of Lillooet. Helmi took a different path and showed a delightful few minutes of newborn calves and lambs.
As always, impressions and constructive comments were provided by the members present.
During the break we discussed possible summer themes and themes in general, including “a show using a poem”, “travel” and “theme challenge” (similar to last summer’s music challenge).
There was no pre-assigned tech topic, but, after the break, Jonathan gave a short demonstration of his experiences with the audio editor “Audacity” and we also discussed differences between wav and mp3.
Joe had brought an extra couple of shows so we watched “The Gambler”, another great “stuffies” show, and another show using lyrics he had prepared as a thank you to a host club.
This month's theme was "Urban Life". We saw a wide variety of interpretations of the theme, from city street scenes, to "urban dogs", to neighbourhood parties and festivals.
Our technical discussion focused on ideas for finding music (local libraries, online radio stations, and stock music sites) and some of the licensing issues with those choices.
We had 4 challenge shows this meeting.
2 shows for the PSA challenge: Shona's delightful "Save A Stuffie" cause and Derek's "real" PSA for the Royal City Humane Society
2 for the "Take a Hike" challenge: Helmi's dog's eye view of a hike and Joe's stroll through the Vancouver zoo.
All had interesting ideas and all got useful feedback on how to make them even better.
We also had 3 non-challenge shows:
Some tips/ideas we took away from reviewing the shows?
When panning over images with strong leading lines or a strong feeling of perspective, try to move the pan along those lines, the pan will be more effective (for those who took the AN101 course, that's the "perspective zoom" technique that was taught)
If you establish a pattern in a show, you have to stick to that pattern lest you impair the flow of your show -- whether it be changes of light over a static subject (don't move the tripod, or you have to re-align and crop the images so they match again), or establishing the premise of a show's point of view (the main context/approach to how images were shot).
Derek gave a brief techie tip on the benefit of keeping your digital music collection organized so you can leverage the search capabilities built into the Windows OS and Windows Media Player to aid in finding prospective music pieces for a show.
For reference sake, the challenge details for this month are listed here:
This is the easier of the two challenges. Remember the "progression" theme chosen by Shona back in October? This is a specific version of that idea: Create a story in images that takes you from Point A to Point B. (how you get from A to B is up to you, it might be a walk, a car ride, train, or aircraft) Point B should be fairly different from Point A (i.e. don't just wander around a single small garden, or walk from the front of your house to the back).
The challenge here is to go beyond just a bunch of snapshots taken walking down a path. Take your audience with you ... share the walk with them, what are the sights you see along the way that made this walk "interesting". (that's where your photographer's eye comes back into play!)
Music choice for these kinds of shows can be interesting too, since you're trying to establish a mood that goes with your journey -- was it happy? creepy? mysterious? rainy?
We sometimes talk about show or story archetypes. One of them is the "debating" or "persuasive arguement" type show. You can find source material by watching PBS channels during pledge season, or sprinkled through prime time in the evenings. Your challenge is to create a "public service announcement". It can be a real or fictional organization (fictional might be easier, you can have some fun with that).
You're looking for images that can add emotion to verbal/textual points you are giving to your audience. The idea here is usually the commentary explains a situation, and the images re-enforce that commentary adding emotion to it; so that by the time you get to end and ask them to help, they're scrambling to find their cheque book. Network time is expensive, so your show MUST BE LESS THAN 5 MINUTES. You can try for fast get-in-and-get-out heartstring pulling (e.g. punchy but only around a minute to make your case, these share many points in common with the "impression piece" archetype) — or a more thoughtful/rationally persuasive argument (build your case so they can't refuse you --- those often run about 3 minutes).
Another part of this challenge is I'm hoping some people might try voice narratives. Text is fine, but voices can carry more information in a much more emotional manner. Most of us don't like hearing our recorded voices (myself included!) ... but it's something to really consider when creating these kinds of shows.
This is a significant challenge, since you have to plan your argument and find supporting images. Music here is also key, since it really has to drive home your point. Again, it can be real, or it can be fictional (e.g. the "Spring Flower Amputee Society" — every year spring flowers face the harsh Canadian winter with little support from the community. Often outcast from the garden, they struggle to survive alone in the lawn wastelands. This year, as always, many will suffer frost-related loss of limbs. We need your help! give today! (a daffodil with a popsicle-splint holding up a leaf? dew-drop tears falling off the bloom? with text caption "Help us stand with dignity" ). If you do a PSA for a real organization, consider making the show available to them afterwards (do your job well, and you're giving them something that today is easily worth $5000 to $10,000 in production costs!), or post it on our site!
Joe's chosen theme was Water, and we saw a wide variety of interpretations, from Jonathan's (educational -- I'd never seen angel hair ice before) presentation of the various colours and forms for water in nature, to Helmi's views of life on the Fraser River & minter garden water features, to Joe's look at children interacting with water, to Dick's day at a beach (making the best of less than optimal shooting weather).
We actually had more shows than time this time around. (we're not complaining!). So we already have some shows ready for the next meeting! Always nice to have "content in the queue" as it were.
Dick gave us a quick overview of Audacity, a free sound editing application. You can find the link to Audacity's download site on our Resources page (under audio resources). For those who have audio needs that go beyond the simple capabilities in ProShow. He's also pointed out a couple of other good reference materials available on the web.
Derek gave a quick overview of the web site's latest features designed to make it easier for members to share shows with the world.
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This meeting's chair is Helmi This month's show challenge statement is: "A Time For Reflection": No other hint or guidance, so we will see how members interpret it! Helmi has chosen "Slide Styles" as her techie-tip and discussion topic. |
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This month's show challenge is: "Something Special": that's a way of saying there is no specific challenge. This is to be a social meeting, so almost anything goes for a show! | |
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This month is our equivalent of the club Christmas party. It's an evening of shows and socializing. Members are encouraged to come up with a show or six to share "something special" with the group, and with guests. There are no set dicussion or tech topics this evening. We'll screen our shows and have a quiet social time (it is a library afterall!). Members are encouraged to bring some guests with them, a chance for anyone to come and see what we're up to. Unlike photo-club slideshow nights, the shows are not pre-judged or selected. So you never know what you're going to get at a WCAG meeting! If you're reading this and are not a member, feel free to drop by and see our members' shows. We'll also be re-screening some shows from the past year, so newer members can see what has gone before. |
Thanks to Peter for chairing the meeting. His choice of topics got people talking.
Our first meeting of a new season. We had a new member show up, Helmi from Langley. She took Derek's slideshow course last spring and is eager to learn more and improve her style. Welcome aboard Helmi!
Music challenge: 3 members had shows ready from this summer's challenge, so we reviewed them. Both Shona and Jonathan had the "whistling tune", so it was interesting to compare the two approaches. Jonathan had a briskly paced nature show of birds, animals, and insects. Lots of colour and interest there! Shona's covered a country fair, using the brisk pace of the music to re-enforce the many sights to see at such events. The same tune, but one for a travelogue, one for a documentary type show. Derek's was the "modern harp music" that generates a lot of discussion whenever it's heard. In his case he applied the frantic style to a series of fast paced images of the overwhelming stream of sights at the PNE.
Helmi also brought in one of her shows, showing that she's an accomplished flower photographer! Her style of presentation was quite well done for someone who says she's still learning. We look forward to seeing more from her!
Techie Tips: we looked at ProShow's timeline tool and reminded members to think about the keyboard modifiers when dragging transition points, especially when you want to change the timing of one set of images without affecting the (carefully timed!) section that follows. We also looked an a fun trick that allows you to stack up audio clips in a show, more than the 2 that PSG would normally want you to use (show soundtrack, and slide sound clip). This allows you to do things like have your music sound track, add your commentary for a travelogue, then still be able to add in sound effects that would enhance images.
Shona has volunteered to be the first chairperson under the new "Share the Chair" approach! She will be coming up with our monthly challenge for the coming meeting, and picking some discussion topics to get us thinking more about improving our shows, etc. Those should come out in the next day or so. she also gets to pick a "techie topic", if there's a technical area she wants to see discussed (these can be Proshow, but also anything that relates to getting our shows together, so could be sound editing software, camera settings, photoshop filters, video editing, web sharing questions, etc. etc. etc. together we'll try and find someone who can answer the questions and get them to tell all of us at the meeting) And of course as chair, she will help run the next meeting.
At each meeting, we would like to see members taking turns running the meetings and guiding the discussions, so this is your chance to provide that kind of input. I hope to see more people eager to "share the chair".
In the middle of summer, so many of our members are busy, there were just a few out tonight, so we turned this into a working session on two different shows. Nancy's wedding video, and Derek's "1 Camera, 2-lips" (which can now be seen in our shows area.
A guest showed up! So we welcomed Ted. He's done shows for a fews years now and seems interested in finding people with similar enthusiasm for this format.
Nancy's show:
This is a case where there are a lot of similar photos to be shown that are picked by your clients as well as the music. So the challenge here is to find the story hidden in the photos and work out a story thread that winds through the music well.
In cases where there are a lot of photos dealing with similar subjects, possible representing a sequence in an action, we look at the possibility of layering the images, viewing them in groups almost scrap-book style. In some cases you might find one image in a sequence that makes a good background for the others.
Derek's show:
This is a case where it's good to get a second pair of eyes, or in this case ears, when creating a show that you plan to share with others. In this case the music chosen was meant to be full, bright, but a little pensive. But when the others heard the show, it was thought to be a bit too "mournful". Often when working for an extended period on a show, we fall in love with our own work and don't always see and hear things objectively.
So we looked at an online stock music service that allows you to search on mood and topic keywords and listened to various pieces to see if we could find something a little more cheerful for that show. Always an interesting exercise since music is such a strong evoker of emotion and can radically change how your story is interpreted! A hopefully "lighter" piece was chosen and used for the version that's on this site.
So we had an interesting session for the few brave souls who braved the heat (Dave's popsicles and blueberry cobbler helped!).
Layers Tutorial/discussion:
A quick review by Derek of how layers can be used in ProShow, the main purpose being for layout, obscuring images underneath, and animation. As variations on those basic principles layers can:
In terms of framing and edge hiding we got into a discussion how this could be used for bridging shots between scenes (potentially a "walk through" type transition shot, and consider how perspective changes as you walk through an element) and again a reminder to look for elements that could be used for this when shooting on location (to paraphrase Nancy ... now you don't have to just shoot the bride and groom, you're also looking for doorways, gates, keyholes, puddles, mirrors, picture frames,... !!!!)
Image discussion:
Dave discussed the fading technique we saw in his shows at the last meeting, reducing an image to a line-drawing to start, creating a series of images filling in more detail... then use these images in a quick series of crossfade transitions in ProShow to build up the image on the screen. There was some discussion on various ways to get that initial line-drawing look in the different photo applications that people use. Other filter effects in photo-editing software could just as easily be applied to this approach (e.g. solarized or "stained glass" filtered images?)
Audio discussion:
Dave reviewed a little freeware/open-source audio-editor: Audacity, that can be used to mix your audio tracks and create that one track that's then used to time your images. We also took a quick look at ProShow's audio editing that can be done in the timeline view for basic crossfades)
Show Review:
We saw 4 shows from the Burnaby Village Museum outing. As with photo club outing, it was interesting to see the same location from very different points of view... from Dave's disturbing, creepy look at household objects in "The Curious Case" :-), to Desmond's walkabout to nostalgic music, to my little pieces playing with some ideas (including my failed experiment at a "reality flash" ... will have to keep working on that!)
A final show "Wake Up!" from Dave illustrating his "philosophy on life" was a fun life-retrospective piece that definitely ended the meeting on a happy note.
Next Meeting: we may try again at end of August (hopefully heat wave is over by then), or wait until September when we may try to shift things up a bit and recruit more members ... if we can get 8 to 10 people meeting reliably, then I think it's time to find a more "club-like" meeting venue ... once we start down that path, we have to look at things like member-dues, executives positions, planning a program, etc. I'd be happy to see that happen ... if people are up for that -- this group is an avenue for photographic expression that goes down a slightly different path from what you'll get at "regular" photography clubs.
Next Shooting:give some thought to where we might try in August. I tossed out my suggestion last night of "Canada Place to Stanley Park" ... walking along the waterfront area ... there's parkland, harbor views, street side cafes, marinas, the park itself, so lots of places with people interacting, many potential subjects -- lots of threads to look at for a "story". But would like to hear from others as well... if you have an idea, throw it into the pot.
News: as most of you already know, I'm going to take the course I've been developing public this fall (starting Oct 24th in particular). If you have friends who have expressed interest in what you've done in slideshows (animatographs? ;-) ) ... send them to courses.photoclans.net for more information (Animatography 101). this would be a good time to attend, since I'm doing my "introductory" pricing. Next spring it will be at it's regular price of probably $125 to $150. Seating is limited to 20 students, having your own laptop is highly recommended.
we saw some interesting, creative ideas last night, quick "meeting minutes"/summary:
tip wise:We saw that use of "zero-length cut transitions" are helpful in matching the movement of objects across several "slides". the "match next/previous" feature (in ProShow) can also aid in this process. I showed my little technique for "stop motion" type work, which is also useful in aligning a key cross-fade when you have a definite idea for where the objects need to be in relation to each other before and after the transition.
There seemed to be some interest in the idea of having our own "outings" specifically to practice photography for slideshows (hmm ... call them "story quests" ??? :-) ). I'll give that some thought (and you should too) for something we might try in july. In addition to being interesting photographically, I would look for something that would engage you in "story telling" ... so either an event with a chronology to it, or a (historical?) site where the images will build up a story you want to tell (even if it's a "walk down a path" type sequence). a site with a variety of subject matter would be fun as well, since then with 5 people, you'll probably get 5 radically different stories. So if you have ideas in that area for a couple of hours on a weekend, please speak up ... a "story" is quite an abstract concept, so there's lots of ways to tell a story about a scene.
In derek's QE park show, we saw an example (adapted to slideshow format) of "racking focus" -- you can read a brief blurb on the technique and it's history on Wikipedia
Keep your eyes/ears open for video production techniques ... while most of our shows are static images, we are still creating a "video" production ... so always be on the look out for what we can adapt from the "experts" in those areas. See an interested effect in a movie? turn on the commentary track on the DVD !!! (look for tracks from the director, they talk more about technique; actor and producer commentaries tend to dwell more on personal trivia of what went on behind the scenes )